Let’s Have Some Discussion
Camus said there is only one serious philosophical question, which is whether or not to commit suicide.
We now have another question to consider: should a person download the Grizzly Bear leak or not?
It’s an interesting question, the guy from Grizzly Bear doesn’t seem to care much beyond the fact that it sounds crappy (it does).
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4751554/Grizzly_Bear_%5B2009%5D_Veckatimest_-_rxc
and
http://iguessimfloating.blogspot.com/2009/03/grizzly-bears-veckatimest-leaked.html
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Tags: Camus, Download, Grizzly Bear, Torrent, Veckatimest
April 14th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
I turned to the Dark Side 2 years ago. I have been punished with computer crashes, a bullet in my head, and an abnormally high number of telemarketers trying to sell time shares for luxury resorts, like in sunny Siberia. It’s been worth it.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Not to split hairs but technically the bullet in the head came before you are started downloading.
Re: George I read Ed’s twitter about the leak and he seemed a little below okay with the leak but I have paid for the last two albums so I am thinking I will download. I recently joined the dark side of music thieves.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Damn…I was hoping for some actual discussion/argument.
Capt. AKAK – If you’re downloading stuff now then there is no real argument, the war is over, the battle is lost entirely.
On another note I realized while thinking about this last night that my musical horizons have been greatly expanded by downloading music illegaly…and of course it’s fed directly into one of my best character defects: it’s free? Give me as much as I can get.
There’s plenty of music that I’d never listen to if I wasn’t able to find it online for free.
But, it also causes me to go to their shows that I wouldn’t have gone to otherwise, buy the better .mp3 versions off of Amazon or god forbid buy the CD…which I actually did once or twice in the past several months.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:20 am
It’s definitely a doubled-edged sword for artists. I can’t be arsed to go into a lengthy discourse on pros and cons, but suffice to say I count myself as a ***** music supporter *and* (now) a ***** music thief.
The RIAA is never gonna stem the tide of internet p2p file sharing (without some nifty, yet to be invented, locking device). So they gotta change their business model…to erm something. The best idea I can come up with is that they radically lower the price of physical copies: $6 seems fair. For $6 I’m a helluva lot more likely to value the liner notes, artwork, and the security blanket of a cd. But $18 versus free off What.CD? No contest.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:36 am
I remember when I was 15 and frolicking in Napster…my douchey friend downloaded a metalica song (i seriously despised metalica then, and am none too fond of them still). A single song from them.
A few days later I was banned from using Napster. I was IRATE.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
I’m still hung up on the only serious philosophical question…
I do really enjoy that song, but I never download.
Not so much because of moral reasons, more because I feel bad when I really think about it, but then don’t really have the money to spend, but then I do nothing because indecision is an issue for me, and then I have no music.
But I eventually just get it from the Capt. So, I guess I’m still stealing. The prolonging of the gratification feels like punishment, though, and since I wait and wait in agony it somehow feels less wrong. Not sure how that works, but it is completely justified in my mind and I’ve never seriously contemplated it until now. Thanks, Georgie Pants, thanks a lot for forcing this consideration.
I’m going to go study Camus now.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
about that question…I think Camus is foolish for making such a huge claim. I once heard a great rebuttal towards Camus’ question. The guy gave this example and expanded on it:
We’re all in a pitch black cave, thinking that this is all there is and its kind of a bummer. Now through science, OTHER PHILOSOPHICAL questions, etc. it only takes one person to realize that there is actual light outside of the cave and so much much more. Thus making suicide obsolete.
I don’t know, I can’t make a good argument for this being that I don’t really remember whether I heard this speech in college or as a TED talk, either way, it was a convincing enough of an argument to make me realize Camus’ statement is ridiculous.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
I’ll probably kill myself one way or another in the future but until then what do I do about this:
I already bought the album(cd version). It is in queue to be shipped and delivered on the release date. Can I download the songs?
RE: “Hemoroyed Says:”
What little bit of that argument you delivered is not very convincing if you consider what philosophy would be created by a people having evolved in a pitch black environment. The idea is that Camus’ question trumps all other philosophical questions. Once you truly answer it there are no more questions. You’re either dead or you believe in god.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Re Camus. As best as I recollect, the depressing philosopher in his “The Myth of Sisyphus” essay was talking about the absurdity of the world, the absurdity of life. Philosophers always seem depressed, don’t they? Anyway, fuck Camus. His only point seemed to be we should carry-on regardless. Well, no shit.
I’d rather download Grizzly Bear records. For free.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
^ Truth.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
I’ve always thought of it as a positive question…more in terms of getting rid of unnecessary spiritual baggage. Everything’s either cool or it isn’t, let’s not discuss whether we need to bow three times and turn in a circle before “the god of your choice” thinks we’re all right.
For what it’s worth I downloaded the entire Bee Gees catalog and soon afterward wish I hadn’t, so there can be some inherent punishment involved.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
i think you’ve just convinced me to go order tix for Grizzly Bear in Manhattan next month.
re downloading,
i’m with pants. i download stuff i never would have heard otherwise, and if i like the band, i go to shows as soon as i can. i’m among the working poor. if i like a band who’s of similar (just getting by) i like to buy their stuff.
one basic guideline is that if a band has to sell their own CD’s at shows, i should buy them. another is that if the music is really really really good, i should buy it.
so, where do you all (not) download anyway? torrents, or is there something else? have mercy, i’m poor.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
thought i’d post an update – i just started the Grizzy Bear download AND ordered show tix. $25 tix, which cost 37.15. (it’s ticketmaster that’s evil.)
because it’s a 2 hour drive and i work that day, i figure there’s a 60/40 chance i’ll actually go. so, whadaya think, am i still supporting the band?
April 17th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
We went and saw the My Bloody Valentine show last night and it reminded me of why I usually listen to music: it seems to be about feeling the ineffable…something that even with the lyrics points to the timeless or inexpressible.
There’s some amount of idealism built into that but even Michael Jackson achieves the timeless in the right context. Billie Jean is a bad-ass song.
So, driving 2 hours and buying crappy ticketmaster tix is worth it if you think it’s worth it, the experience is for you.
You’ve got to assume that if the musicians are artists they’d be doing the work no matter what. What’s that Gillian Welch lyric? “Everything is free now, that’s what they say, everything I’ve ever done, gotta give it away. Someone hit the big score, they figured it out, that they’re gonna do it anyway, even if it doesn’t pay.”
April 17th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
camus is great….and I want to live today!……so its time to grow…….
surrender to the wave
April 19th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
i spent five or six hours on the road last night to see Deerhoof. (google maps suggested it was closer in time.) it was soooooo worth it.
they sold records from the stage after the show. caught in my own rule so soon after writing it!
and i added another guideline last night: if a band/musician takes down their own equipment and hauls it out themselves, and you really like the music, you should buy their stuff. (you being me, of course.)
April 19th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Rad…you’re obviously on the east coast. It’s like a different universe over there…
But yeah, you’re right, if they’re hauling they’re own shit out consider buying a record or t-shirt or at least helping them out w/ some hardcore narcotics…the really good hard to find shit.
Actually just getting into, involved, and enjoying the show itself might be enough…the reward can just be in playing to a crowd that actually cares, which it sounds like you do.